Toxey,
In the middle of page 1 you say John and his son Allen were in Greene County as early as 1823. I do not find either in the 1830 census on www.ancestry.com. I suspect some of the census is missing from ancestry.com.
I agree that in the 1830 Greene Co, AL census Joseph has an extra child 10 to 15 the right age to be Wesley and a female age 50 to 60, the right age to be his mother Susanna. But there is also a Susanna Hall, age 50 to 60, in the 1830 Dickson Co, TN census. I supose she could have been counted in both census.
Also on page 1, You say Susanna Hall was born 18 May 1773 from Nova Wade, and in the 1840 Sumter Co, AL census was Wesley and Susanna Hall both at the top of page 2, you say this Susanna, age 70 to 80 is not the right age to be our Susanna Hall but 60 in 1830 makes her born in 1770 and 70 in 1840 makes her born in 1770.
The census shows that Susanna's husband John was born before 1774, no record gets any closer that I have but if we uses Joseph White Hall's birth of 1793 and assume John was 20 to 25 when his first child was born, this would give John a range of 1768 to 1773.
I think it's consistant with Susanna being born in 1770.
One more thing, have you considered that Sara Amanda Eastis could be an Estes? Evan Estes married Emeline Hall and BCE Estes married Susannah Hall.
Don

Donald Godfrey - Oct 21, 2006

Additional notes:
I had forgot that Allen Hall married Jane Estes.
The BLM land records are at http://www.glorecords.blm.gov
Wesley W. Hall's 8/1/1837 land record at the Demoplis Land Office was in Choctaw Co, AL.
Susan Hall's 8/1/1837 land record was at the same land office and was in the same county.
You have John and Allen in Greene Co, AL as early as 1823 but the earliest land record for John Hall in Greene Co, AL was 2/1/1826 at the St. Stephens Land Office and Allen's only record was 8/28/1838 at the Tuscaloosa Land Office.
What gave you the 1823 date?
Do you know of a bible or gravestone that gives Susanna Hall's birth and death dates of 18 May 1773 and 30 Jan 1825?
Don

Toxey Hall - Oct 27, 2006

I am aware of Hall-Estes marriages in Alabama, and aware also, that that Amanda's surname is sometimes listed as Estes and Estis. Another interesting fact is that there was an Estes family in Burke NC at the same time as the Halls and Whites.

My son Don and I were in Morganton last Sunday and Monday, and took pictures of the Hall Knob, and White Knob. A soon as I can get my head clear I will post them to the photo gallary, and also integrate them with my "Ancestral Acres" report in the file Cabinet. I was unable to make contact with the folks who offered to take me to the Hall Cemetery on McDowell Rd SW of Morganton, on a Gator, no less. I didn't have time to go over to McDowell county and see the Hall Cemetery there. I also planned to spend a couple of days in Spartanburg with an Uncle & Aunt, but this fell through also. I had planned to call Gladys while I was there.

Toxey

See http://magnolia.cyriv.com/GreeneAlGenWeb/History/EarlySettle
rs_GH.asp
It shows John at Springfield (S4, T22, R2E), Allen at Springfield (S9, T22, R2E), both in 1923. It also shows Evan Estes at Springfield (S33, T23, R2E)

Re Susanna Hall’s Vitals

Birthdate 18 May 1733 appears in Family Roots of Kathy and Stanley Lusk
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/u/s/Stanley-Lus
k/index.html

Also I have the same info from a report by Linda Cushing. Neither cites a traceable reference.

Regarding the Census info. If Susanna was born in 1773, she would have been 57 in 1830, and would fall into the 50-60 age bin. In 1840 (ten years later) we should add ten to the age bin (60-70) - not 70-80. Her age would be 67.

Re: Eastis, Estes, Estis, Easter

Minutes of the Salem Baptist Church, lists six members of the Eastis family, all spelled as above, plus a single reference to an A. Easter, however, I believe this is a related surname.
The Salem Baptist Cemetery listings include Alfred G. Eastis (1832-1857), Andrew Eastis (1798-1872), Margaret Eastis (1797-1878), B.E. Eastis (1828-1899), Sarah L. Eastis (1833-1906), Joseph M. Eastis (1823-1861), James A. Eastis, son of B, & S. (1857-1854), Amanda Hall, wife of W.W., unmarked but location known, (1826 -1881). I will post more detailed grave info and references on request.

David M. Eastis seems to believe the Surname was derived from Estes. His posting, listed below, is informative, but has not changed in about ten years that I am aware of.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/e/a/s/David-M-Eas
tis/index.html

I believe, but can’t cite book chapter and verse, that I have seen the family listed in censuses as Estis and Estes. I have also encountered the surname in Burke , NC records.

Re Records and citations. Our Hall family seems to have a wealth of traditional information and a poverty of citable documentation. The main problem seems to be old, fragile, illegible documents. I believe Photos Shop could do wonders with these heirloom documents, given access to them.

Whew! Did I miss anything?

Donald Godfrey - Nov 2, 2006

Toxey and everyone else,
With your help, I have now found the records of John and Allen Hall in Greene Co, AL by 1823 and Joseph W. Hall there by 18 Nov 1829 in a land record.
I just spent about 7 hours on the Internet looking for the source of Susanna/Susannah White Hall's birthdate of 18 May 1773 and I don't find anything but this date in family files; Hall, White, Lusk, etc. and queries.
I think we should take this date with a grain of salt.
If we except the 1830 Dickson Co, TN and the 1830 Greene Co, AL census as the right Susanna White Hall, both census have age 50 to 60, born between 1770 and 1780 and the 1840 Sumter Co, AL census with Susanna Hall, age 70 to 80, born between 1760 and 1770.
I know I'm a nit picker, but I think I can only go with the 1770 date, what do all of you other members think.
Don

I will check my sources and either recant or reaffirm. Re Halls in Green Co.

Donald Godfrey - Nov 2, 2006

Toxey,
I have found your Wesley White Hall born in 1850 listed twice in the 1870 Lauderdale Co, MS census; as age 17, in Samuel Johnson's household attending School and in his father Wesley's household as age 19.
I find him next in the 1880 Lauderdale Co, MS census with Julia and 4 children.
I can not find a census record for him or his family, including all the children, in the 1900 census, do you have this information. I think ancestry.com's records are not complete for the 1900 census.
I find Julia as a widow with 6 children born and 6 living in the 1910 Lamar Co, MS census but only with son Lee D. Hall.
I find all the other children in the 1910 census including Toxey born in 1882, who is not listed with his father or mother in the census that I have.
Don

Toxey Hall - Nov 2, 2006
I have seen the 1773 date in three sources, which offer weak, if any documentation on this particular issue. At least two, maybe all, have been in communication, so maybe we really have one fanciful source. However, the most specific, is a broad citation by my 2nd Cousin David E.R. Gay.
"Most of this is from a poor photocopy transcribed by Emma Louise Ryan (Gay).
Data from family bible held by Mrs. F.C. Ricks, Meridian, MS circa 1973.
More data are included but illegible.
Mrs Ricks ( Elisabeth Hall), dau of Dorsey Hall, 1st cousin of Toxey Watts Hall
Aug13, 1979 letter from Toxey Watts Hall of Canton, MS.
References to John William Hall's 1898 written hist. (Waco, TX)."
1. I have not been able to identify Elisabeth Ricks.
2. Toxey Watts Hall is deceased, however, his son, Toxey Hall III, recently joined the site. When we renewed our acquaintance at a funeral about a month ago, he mentioned having some (presumably old) handwritten genealogical material, which could be that to which David referred. Genealogy was not the topic of the occasion, and I haven't been able to get back to him. However, If you want to ask him about it, do so with my blessings. I will be snowed under for several more days.
3. I have a transcript of a long letter from John Wm. Hall (son of Joshua) to W.W. Hall Sr., written in Waco, TX in 1886. It is ninteresting, but not genealogical. I beleive it is in my file cabinet. The Family History which David attributes to him would be a goldmine.

Re: The 1773 birthdate for Susanna. It is consistant with the 1830 census, if not 1840. I believe the 1840 census taker checked the wrong column. - but that is pure conjecture. This is all stream of consciousness. I will go back and identify my sources. And correct this message accordingly. I doubt if we will find good public documentation, but maybe her grave can be located.

Toxey

Donald Godfrey - Nov 4, 2006

Toxey,
I appears there is a Joseph and Martha Lusk White bible out there some place. Read Linda Cushing's Nov 2nd post.
Don

Nova Dee Morris Wade - Apr 9, 2007

Toxey & Donald,
Susie Lee [SLinAZ3@aol.com] records ..wrote:
"John W. Hall Jr. born in Burke County, NC ca 1773 son of John Hall Sr., & ?"
Married Susannah White born May 18, 1773 in Burke County, NC "... Susannah White married John Hall Jr. of Burke Co. NC. (Documentation on Susannah comes from the "Joseph White Family Bible" records in her father's Joseph White notes.)
Nova